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Debate; Reuther Plan ‑ WPR and C.E. Wilson
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1942-03
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MARCH 31, 1942,
MODERATOR
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plan.
those
machines
check
the
two
same
of
on Saturday,
very
we
you
were
to
motors
were
made
basic
the
few.
state so
even
different,
look
If
and
machinery.
see
on,
I
have
Ford
Pratt
and
Whitney
and
there
are
a
Sure,
there
is
more
in our
plan,
few
he,
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just
and by
job,
still
turned
lathe
and
permitting
machines
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spokesmen
we
was
anybody
much
it
a lathe,
and
you
can
tune
need
the
for
to
of the
are
the
needed,
equipment
machine
could
be
used,
concentrate
on
the
that
and
special
build.
we
that
and
to
the
special machines
those
overall
that
up
same,
cases
in many
but
industry
the
are
machines
machines
those
machine
industry
auto
farther
that
cutters
the
of
portion
engineers
deny
see
the
postpone
thousands
the
tool
die
at
the
makers
Sloan
-- Mr.
said,
industry
and
time
--
the
of
production
the
thus to relieve
six months,
who
do
this
happened
to
be
that
they
skilled
of thé
would
tooling
and we had
essence,
that
along
if we
had
on the
not
had
tooling
to have
a 1942
jcb
for
these
model,
defense?
tools
up
give
we
how.
would
the
of
one
and we told them that that was an idle gesture,
the 1943 model,
time
can
same,
gear
is
you
The Bullard
proposed
for
1942 model
of
kind
same
pistons
the
whether
three,
or
job.
tool
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We
job.
the motor,
converting
which
designing
at
are special machines,
propose
we
looking
small
a
represent
and
the
are
There
same.
a more
on the
do the
grinders
do
in diameter
inches
five
are
machining
complete
you
because
of machines,
kind
same
of the
more
it takes
but
machines,
more
takes
that
Can
have
been
G6
done
to
an
on
keeping
doing
with
on
an
an
which
a model,
gadgets,
with
filled
materials
critical
more
up
were
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gete
with
model,
and
was
was
therein
I think
and
basis,
pro-
approach
to
attempt
an
made,
elthough
they
that
if there
was
and
overall
same
refused
Ford
the
equipment,
of
ontire
and
production
could
vork
in
picture.
basis,
end
its
of
established
establishing
by
survey
could
placoment
that
engincering
boxrd,
that
stef?,
proposed
the
their
Chrysler
out
uscd
inventory
allocation
We
handled
came
tree’
boerd,
technical
make
industry,
the
could
position
tho
took
neccssary
plan
we
needed
we
when
a time
at
that
hours,
publicly.
production
overall
the
hour
management
that
it
discuss
We
an
men
industry-wide
objection
the
America
program
our
So
duetion
in
the
man
and
production
a
ever
thing
criminal
represented
it
because
in
wasted
neccssarye
were
than
most
thet
trimmings
with
filled
the
"Christmas
the
called
was
industry
the
and
it,
wasting
we
skilled
single
every
place
taken
ever
hes
hours
skilled
of
waste
greatest
man
program,
our
egainst
skilled
car
model
a 1942
pbuilding
the
that
say
I
the
thet
so
within
Hudson
enginecring
instead
their
and
own
Briggs
and
of
designing
General
corporation,
deing
the
same
be
Motors
and
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thing,
the
we
would
work
out
designing-engineering
engineering
personnel
the
job
tooling
placing
the
handle
the
that
tool
and
and
when
way,
tooling
work
in
was
a
that
in
die
shop
did
the
Ford
their
Wilson
your
then
die
an
were
loaded
way
you
so
could
being
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to
in
a
being
asked
us
Mr.
would
do
basis,
by
equipped
be
23
sure
the
ona
to
of
petting
room,
up
minutes
where
do
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biggest
shut
down,
job
which
gun
held
could
Ford,
23,
tool
you
Fisher
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that
we
of
overall
practically
quote
him
on
Fisher
can
told
the
better
going
was
Ford
only
could
was
done
Mr.
of
placement
jobs,
got
program
whispered
at
the
very
time
because
they
could
of
an
meeting
die
he
could
get
some
die
work.
we
can
help
inefficiencies
industry
had
within
some
machines
that
thev
overcome
shops
were
could
that
took
the
where
place,
limits
there
standing
not
was
of
handle
because
a
some
Mr.
you
on
some
idle,
you
cannot
corporation,
was
no
tool
while
their
and
die
other shops
program,
not
official
work,"
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up
it
job
job,
where
going,
the
available,
shops
those
where
we
We
men
of
world,
made.
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organize
tooling
the
bomber
Washington
and
in
get
dies
those
and
terms
because
a situation
production
makers,
of
had
in
facilities
same
utilization
it
worker
and
particular
maximum
allocation
the
We
get
the
The
work,
were
only
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its
minute
details
technical
sense,
why
plan
in
some
complete
in
a
the
the
needs
was
the
in
Industry
the
maintaining
cars,
motive
that
and
at
they
schedules
were
of.
far
removed
knew
the
auto
and
time
we
in
people
production
we
accused
that
raised
interested
in
say
from
industry,
auto
the
were
they
because
failed
highest
that
first;
the
with
contact
personal
he
there,
was
Knudsen
was
Corporation
Motors
General
cannot
Wilson
Mr.
Certainly
schedules
of
them
point
say
it
high
by
people
that
the
OPM,
the
had
he
industry.
with
concerned
of
putting
right
maintaining
when
nation
Government,
manned
was
do
can
come
cannot
because
time,
that
at
sense
out
come
you
our
of
if
been
have
industry
They
responsibility,
Government's
industry,
from
everyone?
to
that
practical;
needs
the
to meet
is
industry
didn't
Why
this?"
apparent
were
production
the
Mr.
© program
with
forward
do
can't
you
but
this,
way.
not
may
didn't
is
plan
the
of
aspect
"This
say,
and
of
that
industry
the
of
criticism
major
Our
in
equipment
and
manepower
skilled
of
terms
in
industry
the
in
specialization
the
all
of
benefit
the
you get
of machinery,
get the maximum utilization
You
production,
of
placement
the
on
and
tooling
the
on
engineering,
and
designing
the
on
planning
industry=wise
overall
by
in
passenger
the
our
profit
plan,
production
|
cars,
passenger
that
represented
of
view
of
point
the
from
field
because
I think
of the mass
of
the
has,
tremendous
in
to
America
America.
technique,
production
in a position
was
leadership
that
production
income.
and
on
because
in America,
industry
the
and because
capacity
had
attractive
a more
the
that
of
its knowledge
American
responsibility
production
its knowledge
of
front.
of
industry
giving
Industry
has
not
done
C=1LO
in
advance
and
again
Aluminum
Company,
in
assuring
that
America
of
aluminum
in
seeing
automcbile
normal
aside
our
basic
point
in
way
the
of
doing
Reuther
organizaticn
approach
the
business
basis,
but
on
the
a
plan,
of
management's
attitude.
that
that
of
Standard
be
we
and
you
if we
done
upon
had
to
lay
thet
is
the
have
not
of
job
this
cconomy
defense
preduction
basis
down?
not
business,
lead
the
take
break
that
eould
realize
didn't
They
economy.
of
realize
wer,
superimpose
to
try
to
going
total
of
production,
te
failed
general
in
net
would
supply
adequate
railroads
the
illustration
recent
leadership
an
have
would
Did
transportation
most
the
all-out
normal
conferences
last
the
give
they
did
we
magnesium?
and
that
Management
were
get
to
on
hung
The
to
is
industry
--
cf
minutes
official
--
day
last
line.
the
Oil
the
quote
can
we
the
to
Right
production
aircreft
for
up
tooling
and
out
step
industry
did
but
curtailment?"
that
of
in Washington,
off
start
better
had
We
say,
steel,
of
shortage
a
be
to
going
was
there
knew
Everybody
Building.
Motors
General
the
in
it
about
talked
even
We
production.
automobile
in
to be a curtailment
going
wes
there
nst year we said
of
February
in
where
minutes
official
from
you
quote
can
I
stecl.
of
shortage
a
be
to
going
was
there
knew
We
on
got
a
a
to
usual
and
coordinating
planning
C11
all
of
industry, and
dustry
on
that
I
certainly
are
just
those
There
in
as
is
of
sound
There
still
holdingthem
months
terms
of
for
the
transfer
mechanics
auto
in-
blocks
away,
because
it
of
that
still
can
being
they
permitting
tooling
had
to
so
that
we
were
the
couldn't
realized
a
only
in
the
on,.
production
are
working
going
people
to
to
ago
didn't
those
to
where
benches
program
a Keller
production
they
are
who
Sitantion
defense
the
on
on
in
going
months
release
painting
get
eight
plants
to
had
out
up
those
going
is
get
be
h
three
used
in
program,
fight
willing
come
tied
the
written.
duplication
which
of
of
inefficiency
job
because
and
and
and
engineering,
were
tooling
be
operators,
they
where
Union
Keller
waste
the
plant
overall
them,
day
plan,
question
the
instead
would
organizing
the
the
instance
a
needed
was
the
is
in
tooling,
manpower
agreement,
We
organize
etth: the
details
There
for
The
a
and
skilled
hence,
to
points
the
as
tremendous
period,
because
the
dealing
today
industry,
is
of
production,
question
jobs
some
points
still
this
proposed
basis.
think
organization
we
in
was
to
need
other
skilled
one plant,
holding
up
work
skilled
plants
terms
of
meet
the
that
entire
who
mechanics,.
three
production
operator,
way to
out
problem
industry...
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We
than
machinery
and
that
the
top
plants.
this
that
problems,
equal
out
planning
maximum
was
that
there
before
we
production;
are
an
as
sit
in
working
this
overall
government
that
be
industry-wide
would
labor
believe
still
done
broader
and
should
overall
the
of
operation
going
to
achieve
production.
Thank
DENNY:
this
at
Now,
for
you,
thank
MR.
order
this
board
We
be
must
job
out
equal
the
the
work
management
with
problems,
I
in
on
that
and
partner
these
would
board
with
over
plan
would
that
board
planning
shop,
take
propose
did
we
What
we
propose
didn't
we
authority;
every
steward
shop
a
have
we
foreman
every
with
in
authority
duplicate
up
set
we
that
propose
make
can
we
believe that
we
didn't
We
a contribution.
the
representatives
members
of
questions
point,
of
Reuther.
ch
the
government,
press,
and
the
are
the
armed
presumably
guests
be,
could
people
automobile
the
of
some
perhaps
Motors'
Chrysler's
and
machinery
Body's
Murray
and
machinery
Ford's
pooling
about
a
more
General
and
machinery
much
be
we could
that
felt
We
to make,
contribution
objective
boards
planning
policy
ha@
we
that
felt
we
because
in
represented
be
it
that
asked
Labor
board,
production
that
top
labor,
that
propesed
up
make
government
and
management
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forces.
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be
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take
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overtime
and
aspect
another.
to
the
over
all
so
up,
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from
place
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us
with
cleared
is
point
that
until
around
dance
question
helpful
name
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and
cooperated
you
if
as
quickly
directed.
is
question
point
one
with
sticking
affiliation
your
and
name
as
just
that
hand,
your
eye
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get
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very
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speaker,
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again
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DENNY:
MR.
will
it
suppose
I
discussion
the
of
part
that
into
go
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before
to
like
would
you
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relaxation
of
a minute
have
not
strikes,
pay,
me
let
on the
questions
the closed
the
of
discussion
and
shops
so forth.
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There
Mr.
Joseph
we
are
was
Geschlein,
ready
for
a gentleman
Detroit
ask.
any
questions
you
have
to
who
me
his
card
just
handed
technical
editor.
now,
afi), dso
of
the
Chilton
Publications.
DENNY:
MR.
GESCHLEIN:
jobs
pretty
seriously,
what
you
platform,
that
and
I
and
are
presume
you
in
going
fair.
some
there
are
plan,
and
what
of
all
Mr.
am
speaking
for
our
take
We
of
aspects
you
reiterated
the
airplane
on
the
have,
so
chat
we
have
a
engine
life,,.
my
all
plants
automotive
in
Reuther.
to
confusing.
through
that
be
and
been
have
I
to
like
somewhat
been
have
I
plants
your
in
said
I
Mr. Reuther,
We
Press.
a question
is
This
MR.
Technical
the
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question:
this
ask
to
like
would
I
Chairman,
Mr.
GESCHLHIN:
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JOS
MR
minutes.
four
to
limited
be
will
answers
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similar
experience.
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plants,
convinced
am
I
statement
about
machinery,
is
point
is
names,
but
shaft
-—- you
lathe
Chevrolet
would
use
are
tnat,
in
turns
crank-shaft
for
machining
sizes
the
is
the
is
the
a
the
my
you
those
crankeshaft
generic
terms,
have
things.
for
a
grinder,
the
crank-
The
or
that
machine
of
The
facts.
crank-shaft
same
your
opinion,
duplication
generic
machine,
Cadillac
not
in
with
of
engine
airplane
least
you have
a milling
different
the
there
accordance
machinery
have
that
at
that
fact
the
not
in
that
there
through
a
you
Allison
engine
eee] Se
or
for
myself
a Pratt
& Whitney
clear.
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straightened
own
you
out
on
engine,
disagree,
it,
because
DENNY:
of a question
We
are
and ask Mr,
Reuther,
just
wanted
to
get
I would
like
to
be
it
help
me
in
my
that
in
the
will
check
as
Whitney
WALTER
recently
plant
at
by
are
P,
as
Reuther
to
take
to reply
REUTHER:
last
River
of the machines,
machines
going
to it.
form
Mr.
|
MR.
As
Saturday
Rouge,
and
I stated,
in
I have
and our contention
still
the
same
the
Ford
the
is that
machines,
we
and
made
Pratt
a
&
complete
list
85% of the
can
be
converted
re~tooling.
It
shafts
That
an
is
true
that
the
special
lathes
for
crank-~
number among the 15% where you will need new machines,
happened
regular
a
I
work,
MR.
on
and
to
automobile
airplane
special
lathe,
be
one
of
the
crankeshaft
motor
is
greater,
jobs
lathe,
and
that
we
because
you
have
can't
swing
the
swing
to
have
on
a
C~16
‘MR. DENNY:
Thank you, Mr. Reuther,
Mr.
Wilson,
do
VR.
WILSON:
you
care
to
comment
on
the
same
about
it,
question, |
when
a man-won't
I presented
I don't
look
the
at
number
the
of
difficulties
about
ing
of
situation.
to
get
defense
is
all
business.
business
or
the
forth,
Spend
so
much
The
on
the
really
thing
the
is
of
a misunderstand-
were
don't
not
willing
understand,
last
year
Reuther
can
say
that
his
four
million
not
stimulated
taxing
so
automobiles?
forecast
we did not
1940,
did
that
expect
as
it
arrangements
that
and
on
defense
preliminary
our
We
be
job,
one
the
made
earlier
job.
for
the
would
finance
help
to
country
expected
We
about
one
I suppose
superimpose
to
we
is
doing
production,
a
big
that
and
productioin
n June,
for our 1941 model
on
Mr.
when
do
corporations
been
one
What
fact,
of
a matter
plan
how
to
There
I personally
I have
basically
whole
that
job
see
not
not
was
regular
As
the
Ido
half.
plan
assumption
that
facts.
this
The
at
because
a
whole
what
machines,
the
the
know
was, -
and so
people
would
were
holding
not
money.:
idea
that
the
corporations
job
I am
sure
is
not
true.’
that
you
have
to
put
first
The
things
difficulty
first,
back
is
and
no
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MR,
REUTHER:
MR
DENNY:
MR.
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REUTHER:
MR.
as
automobile
is
easier
much
not
to
be
used
City
ef
our
left
are
hand
This
months,
7,
Washington,
"We
with
for
sort
and
things
materials
getting
1942,
you
of
at
is
a
is
priorities
causing
press
It
reorganize
to
than
on
necessary.
a
which
are
shortage."
conference
you
held
said:
doing
going
it
think
in
out
drastic
present
the
don't
disorganize
January
On
the
to
are
People
them.
and
production
quotes
I
and
Detroit,
foresee
not
did
"T
of
City
the
in
hearings
you
1941,
25,
September
Committee
Tolan
the
before
stated
late
as
that
explain
you
do
How
million.
four
of
share
our
than
production
less
for
as
business
automobile
were
plans
our
that
developed;
‘big
as
anticipate
not
did
we
that
I
Walter.
that,
say
I didn't
No,
industry.
the
in
did
you
that
state
you
Wilson,
Mr,
said
I
that.
say
didn't
Yes,
WILSON:
MR,
a question?
I ask
may
Denny,
Mr.
developments
the
anticipate
business,
ree
ahead
go
to
them
entitled
that
paper
of
piece
a
of
hold
got
somebody
appropriated
Congress
until
was,
it
what
out
found
they
until
something
of
production
the
in
engage
could
company
the
ahead
automobile
with
business
anything
we
can
get
in
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to
do,
QUESTION:
business
with
You
your
MR.
left
isn't
This
My
capacity
Yes,
That
was
the
here
give
was
equipped
give
in
were
your
good
greatest
hand
to keep
in
1942,
that
management,
industry,-management,
not
they
is a pretty
is
nation,edid
to
have
doing
sir.
January,
our
should
are
it?
point
of
you
hand?
WILSON:
QUESTION:
operation,
mean
given,
the
degree
the
Monagement
knowing
of
defense
effort,
for
MR.
DENNY:
Wilson?
and
cannot
the
needs
that
of
it
that
it
say
that
these
in
leadership
giving
responsible
the
leadership
certainly
not
knowing
matters.
MR,
WILSON:
Corporation,
that
we
ws
were
One
the
tooling
of the
plan
is
That
simply
last
Well,
I really
up
meant
we
with
get
what
I said
the
cars,
was
while
hand,
with
our
right,
in the
Reuther
in
industry.
absolutely
and we
the
I said
left
capacity
that
about
our
correct
surplus
brag
when
is really
some
build
to
I said
could
was
could
year,
that
we
like
what
business
anything
there
don't
meant
automobile
few things
that
fact,+that
easily
but
did
Mr.
built
the
the
them
rather
GC 19
But
I can
I think
and
defense
It
ite
about
in
for
planning
the
of
acceptance
pilot
of
production
actual
for
orders
and
2:
Number
the
Allot
floor
and
Number
Corporation's
should
be
business
at
least
3:
fair
requiring
business
past
and
the
Government
material,
and
cooperation,
we
can
obtain
business
for
each
as
some
for
where
locations
efficiency
and
city.
plant
each
with
it
the
be
can
least
machincrye
share
of
the
capacity
defense
the
of
metal
capacity
of
obtain
the
of
country
for
the
This
the
s
productas
represents
for
orders
businesse
percentage
same
fabrication
business
to
efforts
Spocical
approximately
Corperation's
total
or
greatest
the
space
Try
obtain
to
anything
produce.
to
to
business
available
with
produced
new
plant,
Motors
General
said
defense
material
equipment
get
can
of
defense
such
with
engineering
orders,
and
job.
production
the
never
we
for
plan
and
a publicity
not
is
cooperation
Active
1:
Number
policy
the
do
to
a plan
is
Motors’
reason
the
is
That
plan.
political
This
It
production.
war
we
is what
quickly.
General
the
is,
what
and
call,
pretty
it
state
been.
had
plan
Corporation's
the
what
or
plan,
Liane
about
asked
remarks,
his
in
Reuther,
Mrs
to
the
defense
the
the
fabrica=
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experience.
processing
items
5;
idle.
Solicit
business
on
any
Government
we
are
willing
the
of
basis
on
such
after
cost
and
to
are
the
limit
equipped
for
new
component
the
of
the
for
from
past
or
from
such
other
dependable
73:
used
The
on
on
products
quute
upset
price
the
re-negotiste
and
previously
will
we
or
fee,
the
get
experience.
as
the
feel
we
sources
manufacture,
dependable
are
experience
of
type
specific
projects,
defense
our
of
capacity
current
sources
«11
for
parts
the
outside
sub-contract
or
Purchase,
know
be
Should.
negotiate
production
we
tion are
product
products,
new
6:
Corporation,
any
a fixed
plus
cost
prices
will
we
or
manufactured,
on
prices
quote
will
We
to
expect
low,
where
and
bid,
to
words,
other
In
agencies.
contracting
proposed
basis
fair
our
of
some
for
fitted
be
the
unless
manufacturers,
ctherwise
by
business.
small
expensive
least
and
would
that
equipment
the
particularly
be
to
happen
they
simpler
to
left
be
should
The
and
engineering
our
requiring
products
difficult
the
obtaining
on
efforts
our
Concentrate
4:
more
products,
metal
such
of
tion
upon
and
an
which
and
whom
competent,
investige-~
and competent.
Corporation's
defense
and
buildings
production
to
the
equipment
limit.
Money
C-21
on
cents
facilities,
of
serious
in
are
not
obligations
any
other
-question,
doesn't
war,
an
or material
Any machines
to
for each
usable
for
asked
dollar's
we
policy
was
General
Motors
now has,
discharge
fulfill,
ourselves
can
manufacturer
MR.
DENNY:
MR.
REUTHER:
who
Thank
May
country
our
additional
which
in the
found
and we
Harbor,
Pearl
After
which
of
purchases
country
the
over
ten
worth
contracts.
supply
actually
for
facilities
to purchase
cents
twenty
average
the
while
contracts
supply
on
dollar
per
than
less
for
Government
the
asked
average
on the
and
dollars,
of
of millions
hundreds
for
contracts
supply
took
Corporation
the
Harbor,
policy,
this
Under
war,..
the
Pearl
before
available
figures
after
Corporation
the
by
needed
not
are
and
necessary,
absolutely
are
they
when
only
facilities
new
for
Government
the
from
requested
be
should
can
you,
use
of
the
we will
them
was
adopted,
and
production
war
available
make
in war
~
production. |
Wilson,
Mr.
I ask Mr.
Wilson
another
please?
MR.
DENNY:
MR.
REUTHER:
feel
1942 model,
that
Yes,
if the
and at that
JI
sir.
would
like
industries
to ask Mr.
had
Wilson
volunteered
time had started tooling
if he
to waive
the
C~27
at
least.
MR.
WALTER
isn't
it
that
is
plan
to
given
us.
We
On
the
was
Hillman
Mr.
when
And
was.
determined
be
Hillman,
Mr.
with
matter
this
would
position
his
said
I discussed
Knudsen
Mr.
industry.
auto
the
in
expert
production
a
to
supposed
was
he
because
selected
not
responsibility,
Hillman's
Mr.
of
question
-
them,
for
waiting
still
are
never
were
us
get
to
promised
Knudsen
Mr.
that
say
to
just
like
I would
REUTHER:
that
blueprints
the
he
whole
the
with
trouble
The
goode
any
be
does,
industry
as
government
the
about
say
to
much
as
has
by
Knudsen's
Mr.
attitude,
push
couldn't
willing
go
to
indicated
Knudsen
Mr.
the
plan
wes
that
the
he
said
so
and
along
one
that
us
one
at
he
industry
automobile
to
why
reason
of
was
our
conferences.
in
the
rear
Mc.
Reuther
of
response
mitted
to
if
labor,
he
Free
M2.
WALTEK
Mr.
Murray,
give
would
outside
of
REUTHEK:
it
yours
take
will
fyabpe is
PERRY
MR.
ask
We
there.
was
next.
I would
Press):
in
little
some
government,
After
forwarded
question
gentlemen's
The
right.
All
DENNY:
MR,
to
plan
the
to
the
like
detail
the
had
to
the
plan,
been
President
sub-
of
un-
C-28
the
plan
by
unanimous
page
of
the
for
a plan
some
aluminum and
and
steel
of
production
the
increasing
second
on the
proposed
recall,
if you will
also,
We
the
program.
printed
your
program,
stated
so
is
it
and
vote,
which
of
approved
and
passed on
Board
Executive
CIO
time
at
represented,
were
Unions
International
affiliated
of the
all
CIO,. where
of the
Board meeting
Executive
an
held
was
there
later
weeks
some
and
States
United
the
items.
other
you.
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DENNY:
MR.
question?
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ISARD
MR.
DENNY:
To Mr.
MR,
ISARD:
To
What we have heard here
Sun):
(Chicago
MR.
--
today
from
interesting
Reuther?
of them,
both
of
point
a historical
-- has
been
largely
view.
That
is,
all
it
I
deals with things that took place in 1940, 1941 and 1942.
what
think
is
interested
to
ask
in Mr.
to
which
were
under
had
way,
--
is
Wilson's
adopt
going
they
in
those
adaptable
plans
future
part
of
the
or
principles
to
the
ahead
pushed
the
plan
when
the
automotive
to
plans
in-
take
and
whether
question,
or
parts
and
care
of
ask
the
of
Mr.
editor
my
what
production,
for
industry
auto
I know
--
in
interested
is
country
the
I wanted
they
the
were
scheme
Reuther
projects
if
now
2
ail 29
dustry
has
been
MR.
the
first
tntirely
DENNY:
part
of
MRe
question.
any
part
of
Was
that
it?
that
the
used
course
now,
running
means
industry
ever
since
wouldn't
call
it
is
in there.
anyhow,
any
and
I
don't
~-
was
the
Plan
in
the
ny
I
will
quite
going
you
got
to
present
mind
that
something
take
the
use
war
what
been
the
beginning
doing
Reuther
«-
he
of
that
surplus
that
has
is all
manufacturer,
believe
through
Of course,
that
Wilson,
industry
suggestion
but
Mr.
production?
there
is
in
the
useful,
one
simply
the
that
be
right,
question?
Reuther
might
The
be
the
it
{ am
Plan
All
WILSON:
Was
converted,
any
tries
to
that
right
the
but
everybody
that
everybody
of
Plan,
capacity
is
up
and
of
along,
not
just
program,
suggestion
familiar
business
fill
knows,
defense
that
could
tmn
his
with
it
ever
does
plant
with
or
business,
Outside
@lse
in
until
planned
we
there
MRe
DENNY:
MR.
WALTER
get
on
that
an
the
is
one
idea,
I don't
know
anything
usable.
Mr.
Reuther,.
REUTHER:
overall
I would
production
industry-wide
basis,
like
effort
America
to
say
that
coordinated
is
net
going
and
to
I
C-30
I
what
of
examples
specific
some
cite
to
want
possible,
is
that
production
maximum
the
achieve
I means.
Motors
are all going
latest
design
Chrysler,
tanks
actual
the
with
have
they
how
in
this
ing.
motor
M-4
the
they
duction,
will,
has
It
however,
putting
is
have
these
the
M-4,
when
in
to,
and
automobile
I have
get
engines,
talked
to
propos-
their
On
available,
motors
they
of
Wright
motor,
aircraft
lack
are
wer
a Continental
not
Chrysler
talked
an
going
the
of
minimize
to
is
what
that
planning
and
putting
been
tank,
several
I have
here
industry
thinking
order
in
because
today,
difficulty
be
to
is
here
yet.
and
under
hours
standardization,
‘ought
we
standardization
problem,
their
are
tanks,
coordination
Chrysler
and.they
that
auto
overall
in
of
things
get
can
we
maintenance
the
on
is
of
lack
had
the
of
one
experience
more
have
th@y
about
important
300
about
they
57 varieties
Some
about
because
problem
most
‘The British
and
in battle,
operations
is
up
hold
will
tank
a
in
problem,
maintenance
that
been
has
~~
the
is
at
production
now
that
things
the
of
One
is
which
M-3
the
of
It is the
tank,
the same
to build
General
and
Chrysler
Ford,
industry.
auto
the
in
tank
M-4
of the
production
the
into
going
are
We
into
All
some
prothe
people
engineers
who
~C oJ 1l~
aircraft
in
one
Detroit
the
in
and
in Washington,
one
Ford
the
with
third
the
and
engines,
automobile
with
equipment;
tooling
tight
could
needed
Motors
on
spots
out,
turn
for
Ford
get
they
in
the
plus
have
with
all
to
ten
plant,
all
the
new
the
tooling
asked
and
why
they
engines
replacement
IJ
told
Lincoln
the
tank
production
required
standardization,
Ford
certain
augment
percent
Chrysler
of
90%
use
could
Lincoln
production,
complete
with
would
line;
their
production,
could
it
Edsel
Mr.
him,
Mr,
to
I went
people.
other
Company
Motor
Ford
the
that
it,
discussed
and
Ford
and
people
I talked
it,
develop
to
me
of
a number
with
up
asked
they
about
Nelson
Mr,
Edsel
We
area,
problem
the
took
I
me
We
tanks
three
have
to
engine,
tank
to
engines
Diesel
two
in
going
are
are,
engines,
Diesel
with
we
here
So
built
this
with
tank
an
for
tank.
M-4
their
developed
putting
is
Motors
General
he
developed.
has
he
engine
tank
special
which
his
trying
is
he
engine, and
been
has
motor
motor
V
cylinder
12
a
from
down
cut
a V-8
developed
has
Ford
date,
to
industry
automobile
the
of
out
has come
that
abortion
technical
worst
the
the
in
high
very
are
is
this
that
said
have
organization,
General
motors,
that
Ce5 2~
Now,
are
that
of things
kind
the
are
these
in,"
motor
own
their
put
to
wants
iiverybody
%a
against
said,
They
done,
wasn't
of resistance
a lot
is
there
"Well,
happening.
Ford
the
of
the
On
are
they
for
each
or
We
this
tn
sO
city
many
case
These
the
had
making
engineers
a change
men
we
If
there
is
duplication
aspects
in
a situation
in
for
sections
wing
is
where
a stipulation
a
special
through
department
on
problem,
particular
that
in
a large
company
that
they
in
people;
Douglas
the
tooling
each
to
go
would
that
of
set
one
make
would
anc
planning,
centralized
they
involved
comes
that
had
this
of
drawings
the
times
tank
the
on
Ford
and
job,
tank
job,
tank
the
on
after
plant,
Excello
the
in
Chrysler
for
tank
same
plant
contract
their
cther
three
engineering,
centralized
shop
some
the
on
work,
engineering
drawings
on
work
doing
duplicating
are
concentrate
Engineers
on,
Motors
General
job,
General
engineering,
going
duplication
for
then
production,
defense
where
can
Chrysler
and
Motors
tanks,
the
all
in
put
engines
aren't
why
then
test,
under
approved
been
has
engine
that
can
Ford
If
and
engines,
tank
the
all
build
maintein
must
department,
just
waiting
Douglas
wing
section.
the
are
the
most
skilled
in
designers
tintte
and
technicians
says
Douglas
on.
The
thing
the
we
can't
that
kind
DENNY:
Mr.
he
engine
of
kinc
to
be
able
fine,
take
and
and
of,
enough
we
but
the
get
are
motor
it
into
and
production,
inefficiency
and
duplication,
luxury
Wiveon
in
has
the
a
war
and
effort.
question,
best
job,
and
the
thinks
ought
to
be
standardized?
REUTHER:
If
we
were
in
motor,
the
we
could
in
you
of
be
that
you
tooling
would
pick
to
coordination
overall
I would like to ask Mr, Reuther
WALTER
MR,
illustra-
more
for
time
tanks
these
of
one
sections
Maybe
time,
I had
an
out
engineering,
waste,
wing
practical
details,
have
MR. WILSON;
which
these
will
afford
MR.
of
we
work
thing
had,
develops
can
with
technicians
other
on
any
place
of
sort
skilled
working
designed
contract
is the
that
if
have
to
going
are
their
into
planning,
the
of
because
go
we
Untess
tion,
They
could
I
illustrations
as
a lot
are
There
they
can't
on it.
is
be
be
can't
because
that
result
to
work,
it;
do
ought
they
yet
and
now,
can't
that
up
tied
are
of
through
they
going
is
that
type
department
that
in
work
other
that
followed
job and
this
in
the
being
the
a
period
can
get
production,
one
best
now
enough
you
where
of
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make
press,
the
Mr,
if
you
meeting
the
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absolutely
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as
liminaries
it
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as
with
point,
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suggest
do
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but
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out
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training
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facts
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connection
plans
for
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many
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technical
years
of
industrial
otherwise
or
conversion
our
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have
country's
referred
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there
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a
result
priority
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by
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to
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or
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munitions.
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agencies
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used
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can
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in
apply
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previously
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WALTER
MR.
DENNY:
MR.
WALTER
the
responsibility
not
REUTHER:
Mr,
this
that
the
May
to
do
the
jok,
why,
Government.
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comment
on
that?
never
quite
Reuther.
REUTHER:
point
in
competent
reorganize
MR.
get
thinks
Government
the
If
Mr.
industry
period
than
Wilson
has
it
4 bigger
does
during
is
overall
normal
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periods.
to
give
During normal periods,
leadership
dealing
primarily
operates
of
in
maximum
and
of
tanks
end
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knows
much
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services
tanks,
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whet
sort
how
they
can
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becomes
must
end
he
a
jeeps
that
has
that
that
goes
the
to
say
the
thing,
production
assume
the
tanks
the
having
had
more
about
and
in
make
this
terms
munitions,
Patterson,
and,
he also
services
what
from
to
the
has
it.
are,
they
responsibilities
the
the
which
the
how
the
radius,
design,
question
of
techniques,
people. like
for.
crmed
many
cruising
need,
on
methods,
responsibility
need,
the
there
problom
have
I think
they
airplanes
ond
produced,
Mr.
production.
just
of
guns
a period
becomes
industry
knowledge,
armed
of
population
our
is
during
it
upon
it
the
and
with
and
now,
knows
than
thet
it
got
industry,
done in
bees many
of
be
and
be
about
size
pover,
that
it
got
of
can
question
the
and
--
more
think
havo
fire
section
called
because
certainly,
have
certainly
airplanes
because
from
ve
isn’t
problem,
but,
Wilson
what
responsibility
aside
as
every
-— Mr.
therefore,
alone,
such
of
issues,
production
contribution,
expcrience,
production
a
sphere
crisis
responsibility
national
with
that
national
thet
on
industry
Mr.
0-60—
I mean
wanted,
they
adjourned
airplanes,
Peninsula,
whether
fighting
are
campaign,
I do
saying
that
Labor
industry,
than
industry
to
"Here,
said,
and
be
business
question
that
is
back,
gave
and
this
can
be
dic
no
foot
the
We
are
ought
way
it
anything of
the
kind,
organization,
industry
back
the
and
I
think
in America,
made
that
at
it
of normal
Washingtotno
that
didn't
the
in
mistake
forward
Why
Leadership
biggest
nation
the
of
best
is
by
responsibility,
a
the way
of
thing
the
in
it
production
DENNY:
dismiss
could
all
air,
that
in
done,"
here
do
not
overall
MR.
Mr,
our
whether
African
the
needs
the
put
practical,
isn't
did
about
we
the Bataan
in
had
least
think
we
Industry
done,
sat
just
it
say
more
at
we
yet
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know,
any
know
just
can
certainly
flies
very
that
in Java,
or
what
going
were
made
on
over
front
you
they
and
airplane
of
we
sini
fighting
think
not
didn't
we
not
did
kind
before
fighting
Kussian
the
on
view,
President
are
we
are
know
planes,
50,000
we
same
the
of
I thought the
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didn't
didn't
they
was
we needed
that
need
we
lunch,
for
airplanes,
to need
clear,
Wilson's: point
Mr,
we
well,
can't say,
you
samme
question,
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MR.
matter
now,
WILSON:
I would
I
like
think
we
to ask Mr,
are
talking
Reuther
about
a little
another
bit
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more
about
today.
was
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a
plan
have
plan
whatever
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this
to
all
at
This
program
the
summer
Submitted
time
like
at
to
defense
1940,
the
that
ask
It
time
in
urge
the
on
the
here
psan,.
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and
industry
if
use
to
produce
that
was
as
usual,
business
that
question
course,
and
public
came
formulated
after
December
ourselves
to
of
Reuther
glad
made
President
discussing
day.
Mr.
of
was
among
in
program
I am
be
automobiles
500 a
discussed,
we discussed
visable
million
of
rate
to
reading
the
was
to
four
REUTHER:
of
the
existed
the
MR.
supposed
capacity
I would
Superimposing
are
heard
produce
excess
airplane
we
of
it
1940,
whether
had
at
it would
curtailment
of
not
up.
in
been
which
be ad-
automobile
production,
We
that,
no
as
hope
a
Wilson
ing
with
be
production
record,
cares
matter
to
of
schedules
was
point
me
1941,
found
plan,
to
I can
have
of
we
specific
and
shortage
This
the
the
and
industry
February
a
around
of
getting
of
Mr.
would
part
of
a matter
looked
get
behind
quote
from
do
that,
materials
would
of
made
view
with
was
Mr.
we
would
it,
the
and
that
have
to
extremely
in
done
have
been
it
is
records,
unions,
indicated
Knudsen
had
although
official
where
consistently
basic
if
there
necessarily
discussed
that
start-
that
there
automobile
be
curtailed,
clear
February
if
when
of
1941,
all
at which
figured
time
out,
million
cars
four
million
cars,"
Washington
the
aside
know
and
rate
and
know
of
we
is
I
the
that
question
there
and
that
have
all
to know
"We
got
this
the
way
got
quote
in
can
be
you
of
our
and
Knudsen
all
of
other
at
the
is
all
period,
over
going
going
to
and
to
a
we
reserve,
allocated,
force
a Town
Hall
meeting
that
(1941), in which
I stated
national
from
develop
hookup
4& real
shortage
curtailment.
certainly
the whole
aii’
labor
national
was
These
during
Minneapolis,.
of
steel
things
a position
in
economy
than
was
management.
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knew
if
they
then
us
out,
material
it
supply
waved
figured
raw
conference
the
just
of
to
automobiles
done,' and
from
in March
happened
less
have
build
expect
steel
building
in,
was
was
on
with
enough
a minimum
time
possibly
it
argument."
can
I participated
effort
go
what
no
not
got
allocated
year,
the
Mr,
have
exactly
there
could
at
have
rubber=to
coming
production,
said,
what
we
and
the
"We
have
and
Knudsen
defense
materials
current
we
that
increasing
basic
Mr.
We
nickel
during
told
said,
worry,
copper,
four
in
Knudsen
don't
material-steel,
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Mr.
we
saw
started
these
to
tool
things
up
for
developing,
defense
and we
production
6 63
by
waiving
or
postponing
that would
have
until
or August.
ment
July
would
result
model.
adjust
developing
the
I had
this
MR.
answer
Mr.
4s
as
to
we
tooling
the
need
everyone
the
industry
have
proposed,
fos
and
all
wiekatte
the
would
saved
date
not
of
that
in a much better
economy
in
keeping
have
position
with
the
materials.
to
like
to
win lirie
look
at
at
lunch
here
chart
this
hour,
if
I may;
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in
I think
and
question
thot
ought
you
ox-
other
to
not
Was
or
everyone
to
fairness
of
lot
a
gave
He
plane
Reuther
Mr.
was
plan
the
whether
to
have
to
like
I would
as
usuel
answer
to
of
WiLSON:
but
plenations,
time
have been
I would
question
my
a business
ought
that
whole
occasion
time,
that
We would
scarcity
Now,
at
been
model
their normal
apparent
and we would
to
that
over
By
been
have
a 1942
tooling,
then
have
would
built
thrown
the *42
you
here
ansver
it
straight.
MR.
the
&s
not
best
usual
go
am 1942
setting
answer
plan
along
model.
up
2
wes
that
was
the
with
ite
That
type
of
reason
biggest
Firstly,
vas
not
overall
that
fact
the
try.
I will
well,
Very
REUTHER:
it
business
it
wasn’t
I think
a Sintnbas
would
why management
proposed
as
production
not
usual.
having
It
proposed
organization
CC 64
business
ing work,
tooling
I mean
own
we
do
That
is
business
plan
The
to
approach
to
to
point
sponsored,
I do
the
fact
that
We
that
did
problem
at
was
that
time
in advanee,
urge
in
we
did
our
inside
of
our
of
did
not
thet
that
whole
it
hot
you
can
say
course,
you
are
willing
at
the
time
see
not
not
de
advocated
order
do
to
counter
it would
necessery,
work
-- Ve
is
we
engineering,
own
curtailment
immediate
or two after we hed
month
that
the
usual
as
Business
plan
the
usual.
unless,
usual,
production.
industry
we
as
of
principle
completely
ran
production.
business
was
as
worke
production
the
production
our own
tooling,
plant.
our
we do
model,
e 1942
usuale
as
engineer=
usual,
basic
whole
the
business
aside
as
business
not
was
also
eventually
and
work,
top
a
of
the
of
planning
overall
the
for
staff
build
not
was
That
establishment
the
for
called
also
technical
sets
industry
as usual.
It
That
supervise
ontire
the
boundaries.
corporation
to
respect
without
in
airplanes
of
production
mass
the
and
organize
to
suthority
the
heve
would
that
board-
a production
--
a board
of
establishment
the
through
steps
urse,
the
of
that,
the
the
sutomobile
although
plan,
a
we knew
take
place
eventually
be
taken
to meet
to minimize
dislocation,
and
that
plan
was
ait O-6 5when
curtailment
I
Mr.
would
an
is
that
hope
take
place,
your
answer
to
attempt
questicn,
Wilson.
MR.
out
actually
and
building
excess
answer
million
capacity
for
the
is
It
it.
four
superimposing
No,
WILSON:
still
that
hard
for
eutomobiles
the
defense
defense
program
does
to
me
a year
program
on
net
right
come
how
understand
and
did
normal
using
not
the
amount
business.
tc
C-66
REUTHER:
MR.
it
made
for
tooling
go
with
along
an
at
to
time
that
the
and
made
you
the
all
as
manufacturers
That
WILSON:
on October
individual manufacturers
of
and
subordinate
the
to
could
time
to
waive
a
would
as usual
ahead with
put
the
on
to
attempted
we
say
model
'h4
contribution
practical
can't
You went
you
the
at
said
meant
have
your
1942 model
That
car.
it
make
was
usual.
MR.
to
you
did.
gadgets
no
the
waive
would
Agreeing
business
because
fellows
we
making
So
effort.
as usual,
what
business
was
certainly
defense
business
just
and
this
to
refused
Industry
which
gesture.
idle
empty
that
model,
of a 1943
production
was
saying
that,
skilled
thousand
job.
tooling
the
do
to
mechanics
twenty-five
perhaps
and
fifteen
between
somewhere
industry
our
in
That
one.
number
was
That
models.
released
have
would
1942
of
waiving
the
urged
we
that
clear
extremely
we
I think
Wilson,
Mr.
First,
defense
work
on
program,
cooperate
to
the
15,
true,
isn't
1940,
Walter.
The
automobile
a resolution
passed
that
the
e
ak
rt
de
un
do
y
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er
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in
ct
me
e
th
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in
nd
te
at
automobile
and
model
specifically
fullest
extent
changes
to
for
to
the
aviation
the
necessities
procurement,
fulfillment
of
C-67
purpose.”
this
The
of
'41
would
have
for
defense
tooling
we
wt
have
would
of
and
point
1942
and
where
for
these
you?
If
This
things?"
had
on
along
come
they
or
all,
at
models
new
talk
to
the
people there
responsibility
of
organizing
Why
we
and
do
the
is
them,
to
going
Now,
of
to
say
tooling,
this
facilities
we
are
airplanes
what
we
these
do
in
for
at
other
the
this
point
industry.
the
Do
time
automobile
to
go
What
things.
that
the
for
take
to
going
industry
the
prepared
and
can
of
is
it
at
now
are
program
tooling
our
start
were
who
war economy,
our
we
"Gentlemen,
a
as
Washington
to
didn't
are
we
production
business
go
you
changes.
tooling
the
the
skill
the
defense
you
demoosracy,
this
model.
sipacity
no
had
either
REUTHBR:
didn't
why
the
If
existing
late.
been
with
charged
have
would
MR,
citizen
went
program.
their
re-tooling
faster,
and
first
it
put
they
the
with
ahead
do,
to
work
tool
any
had
they
If
same,
the
did
corporations
did,
Motors
General
what
know
other
all
I know,
as
far
as
and,
[I
let.
been
not
had
projects
The
jobs.
on
dependent
been
had
they
if
idle
been
spring
the
in
shops
Detroit
the
in
toolmakers
you
into
can
need
we
do
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WILSON:
MR.
REUTHER:
stated,
and
I
present
crastic
cut
in
Wilson,
see
the
think
don't
duction
&
the
grasped
hadn't
economy
normal
December
back
in
you
still
that
had
it
Now,
time.
when
1940
be
you
done,
can
where
that
you
It
WILSON:
the
in
was
Gencral
percentage
than
any
I am
going
to
said
we
the
read,
those
just
to
as
25, 1941,
February
be
1941
of
curtailments.
things?
I was
help
usual
of automobiles?
employees
that
a war economy
sudden
additional,
drastic
Motors
others,
in
to
had
there
still
you
September
as
curtailment
reconcile
that
the
late
as
pro-
business
proposed
we
that
say
fact
and
bigkexr
same
uote
how
WR.
cut,
the
believe
can
to
you
of
didn't
I
that
you
can
How
have
couldn't
fact
at
prceduction;
war
for
up
tool
to
normal
out
cut
to
hac
we
that
you
1941
of
25th
September
believe
order
in
as
late
didn't
still
necessary."
it
As
and
tor.
cit
autemobile
fore-
not
did
"I
again,
qucte
you
Mr.
1941,
25,
as September
late
As
industry?
say
you
do
Why
MR.
--
as
late
As
that.
do
didn't
industry
Now,
to
were
objecting
clarify
4
cut
to.
this
and
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from
the
International
his
is
proceedings
Union,
August
4,
"Mr,
mobile
We
&
cannot
period
people
the
to
last
deal
such
is
not
on
to
a
cut
to
our
ments
Automobile
Workers
and
ig
Despite
the
able
obtain
take
to
things
necessary,
and
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easy,
more
not
in
the
We
than
ever,
backwards,
We
would
hundreds
workers
in
time
cut,
the
in
Washington
and
they
MR,
REUTHER:
MR.
WILSON:
MR.
REUTHER:
here,
Here
gaid
the
defense
national
automobile
and
that
national
for
streets,
I have
Washington
to
people
on
not
Have
Yes,
you
in
our
found
cut
of
in
thousands
spent
a
fighting
against
Automobile
they
are
they
provided
to
jobs
walk
finished,
to
object
are
the
Mr.
Workers
willing
don't
of
given
streets,"
Wilson?
sir,
I would
is
United
forced
still
representatives
defenses
production
are
recently
and
year,
a 50%
I have
to
past
have
which
put
Auto-
for
production,
in
the
that
are
for
of my
of
of America,
agitation
matcrial
I have
convention
great
averse
work
1941
weeks
a drastic
Government
been
forward
several
automobile
great
it
look
automobile
of
back
when
the
1941,
have
sit
United
Thomas:
Workers
of
an
like
official
to
quote
from
booklet
put
docu-
out
by
2
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issue,
C 70
is
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Halle
Town
your
1941,
official
and
is
contribute
with
there
going
of
question
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problem
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questions?
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too
with
much
the
time
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claims
of
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other
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conversion
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MR.
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Walter?
of
clarify
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air.
discuss
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it
think
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your
half
ago,
course,
certainly
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it
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at
go
Wilson,
Mr.
REUTHER:
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help
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say,
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now,
dead
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think
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production.
war
for
industry
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in
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plan
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as
far
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other
some
jointly
discuss
automobile
the
of
conversion
able
been
haven't
I
to
but
business,
this
at
going
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if
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says
plan
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course,
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of
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WILSON:
MR,
expecting
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he
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it.
about
you
from
comment
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I
and
together,
working
management
the
about
comments:
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made
and
labor
of
possibility
just
has
Reuther
Mr.
and
plan,
Reuther
the
of
discussion
of
aspects
constructive
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of
out
growing
situation
the
the
What
talked
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conversion,
and
argument,
page
does
it
say
anything about
~C84-
MR,
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completed,
kind
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stand-
already
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production
basic
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motor
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plants
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chart
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point
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The
now,
to
try
part
you
MR.
opinion,
use
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just
read
VICTOR:
question
producing
for
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motor.
airplane
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plan
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excess
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take
to
said
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keep
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about
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capacity
airplane,
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we
including
conversion.
conversion.
question.
satisfactorily
In
my
answered.
up
C-85
of the
implications
the
understood
gentlemen
you
both
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question.
make
it
a question.
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MR. VICTOR:
preliminary
few
if
a question,
the
doing
Motors
workers as
represented
Motors
management
as Wiuneious
form,
because
both
gentlemen
agree
to
have
of
it
this
Reuther
under
Wilson
the
is
it
that
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by Mr.
agree that
gentlemen
both
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by Mr.
General
between
cooperation
for
measures
General
the
and
in a concrete
Wilson,
and
is necessary
it
desirable,
to
discussion
this
for
possible
it
Is
VICTOR:
concrete
out
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gentlemen
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mind.
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you
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ought
you
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discussing.
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work
remarks.
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MR.
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DENNY:
MR.
gentlemen
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and
is possible,
MR.
DENNY:
answer
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discussion
plan.
the
get
head
question
is
are
another
together
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asking
out
confined
for
discussion
to work
thet
way,
in one
supposed
you
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of
as Moderator,
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is
is,
the
that
this
time
something
when Mr.
that
Reuther
to
WILSON:
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the
come
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between
the
relations
between
manage-
the
scope
will
vnion
management.
MR,
to
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and
ment
than
here
got
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now
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to
say
first,
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further
in
the
sound
paragraph,
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be
allowed
to
it,
MR.
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we
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jigs
7,
and
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REUTHER:
read
on
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the
word
plane
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to
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more
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in
this
MR.
machinery?"
to
only
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propose
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our
see
course,
how
ties
you
and
Walter,
the
average
it
was
four
can
in
with
say
it was
million
production
in
no
sense
industry
if we could
REUTHER:
we
agree
to
automobiles
requirements
a plan
war
to
I don't
production,
on that,
see
how
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doesn't
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say
it
say
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why,
we
can
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of
basically
we would
erase
the
plan,
WILSON:
mach-
plans,
Of
the
I think,
us,
MR.
words
sentence,
building
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automotive
Now,
behind
that
this
Wilson,
machinery,"
machinery
than
so
by
word
WILSON:
country,
that
engine
that in
the
found
necessary
the
MR.
year
have
"conversion."
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process
fixtures
into
didn't
on
would
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@
think
the
industry,"
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have
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of
it
machinery,
too
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Will
REUTHER:
when
much
could
earlier
have
idle,
than
obviously,
if
converted
and
we
were
you
the
converted
rest
willing
you were,
as
just
Mr.
Thomas’
last
summer,
the
to make
public
records
indicate,
the
WILSON:
matter,
which
MR.
and
you
it became
MR.
on
I mean,
you
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made
last
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was
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it
read
made
this
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Mr.
Septenber
25th.
wilson,
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and
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certainly
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the
REUTHER:
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long
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have
read
one
February
back.
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9th,
last
1941,
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like
summer
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to
get
up
I may,
General
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and
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always
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think
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the
best
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does
deserve
a very
credit
advertising
men
business,
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A REPORTER:
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on
ways
if
technical
that.
the
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chart,
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abandoned
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to
usual
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entirely
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and
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duction,
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production.
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your
point,
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plan
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automotive
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contracts
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17th
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all,
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people,
needed
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had
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point
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peoiuis then?
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go
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plan
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build
need.
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WILSON:
as
and
said
automobile
Reuther
said
business,
of
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MR,
merit at
it was
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then
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when
you
second,
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best
to
quote
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radio
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Wilson
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to
curtail
December,
quite
MR.
WILSON:
MR.
REUTHER:
I wasn't
isn't
willing
wasn't
still
true,
willing
he
was
Now,
September,
in
back
in
1941?
I
can't
MR,
Iwas
was
the
Maybe
Committee,
records
WILSON:
worried
laying
so
am
I
REUTHER:
You
about
many
you
say
that
production.
curtail
to
when
misquoted
am
I
WILSON:
willing
MR,
that
plan
the
follow that.
MR,
it,
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unwilling
and
of
production,
automobile
1940,
he
1941,
25,
September
as
late
as
understand
can't
criticism
a
as
that
raises
he
when
of
because
curtailed
I
materials,
critical
of
be
to
have
necessarily
would
pro-
automobile
that
gatherings,
public
other
at
and
the
over
addresses,
public
in
time
after
time
indicated
although
submitted,
was
program
the
time
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at
tailment
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complete
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propose
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matter.
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REUTHER:
MR.
say.
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quickly.
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Thomas
spot
was,
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of
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in the
cut
smaller
we had
faster
pretty
last
people
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of
of the
I could
job
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fall,
back
things
sort
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overall
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as
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responsibility
can't
say that
plan.
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with
some
of
MR.
plan
having
organization
management
was
we
these
we
i
are
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only
doing.
it
We
did
a
good
job
now,
to
get
of nailed
down.
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far
this
time
to
leadership
war
agree
to
economy
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at least
dispose
make
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responsi+
of
somewhere
mainly
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two.
one
the
between
by managoment.
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of that
try
question
rests
manned
as
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the
to
so we
to propose
can
go
points.
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is not
to build
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a
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our
ought
than we
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lies
do
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of
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employees,
of unemployment
and
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concerned,
for
load
see where
REUTHER:
these
Motors
business
a bigger
than
good
getting
some
the
percentage
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was
against
like the discrimination
and I didn't
else to do in place of it,
as
some
simple
as that.
airplanes
that
Labor's
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country
any defense program or plan to defend
on
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a
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this
country
or
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time
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many
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chart
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so
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to
got
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soldiers
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into
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built
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a
air-
year
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sey
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what
that
Washington
confident
DENNY:
now?
the
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think
mechanical
MR.
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planes,
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late
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so
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in
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war.
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say
us another
could
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and
planes,
you
remaining
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you
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shipse
REUTHER:
no'fighting
did
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did
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understand
was
have
said,
how
WiLSON:
MR.
they
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though
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holes.™
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even
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someone
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to
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have
though
need
need.
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well
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